tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post6528254045073953051..comments2024-03-17T13:20:17.160-07:00Comments on Unknown Gender History: Shirley Elizabeth Allen (Goude), Missouri Black Widow Serial Killer - 1982St. Estephehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11524785594106747591noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-61312327379575241052022-02-20T13:01:49.591-08:002022-02-20T13:01:49.591-08:00Well said!Well said!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18234491883221152265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-11801005255840233942022-02-20T13:00:38.073-08:002022-02-20T13:00:38.073-08:00You don't know what the torture she was up und...You don't know what the torture she was up under....as SOON as she got an opportunity to do something she DID!! Tell someone at school?? Yeah, right!! Her every move was watched! She did the right thing for her and her younger sister and went to the police as soon as she could!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18234491883221152265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-31322024130982415032022-02-20T12:57:00.361-08:002022-02-20T12:57:00.361-08:00Remember what happened to the kids when the boy tr...Remember what happened to the kids when the boy tried to flee? Stop saying things you'd do or not unless you've lived these kids' hell!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18234491883221152265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-58898558028138698922021-05-07T09:21:46.747-07:002021-05-07T09:21:46.747-07:00Wow who are you to judge Unless you lived her life...Wow who are you to judge Unless you lived her life with her you are an evil person to say the things you have saidKimberlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08795085195879534179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-8419514134401029642021-05-06T23:32:11.345-07:002021-05-06T23:32:11.345-07:00Wow, apparently you were lucky and was never abuse...Wow, apparently you were lucky and was never abused or afraid of someone.<br />Worse when it is a parent that is trying to kill people and has killed.<br />Ever thought that these kids thought She would kill them too.Mrs.Synthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07088486687988485311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-81164266549725034322021-05-03T14:31:04.679-07:002021-05-03T14:31:04.679-07:00She knew and was a part of itShe knew and was a part of itAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640646371964703502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-43140002352744501012021-05-03T14:28:51.550-07:002021-05-03T14:28:51.550-07:00Please dont believe everything she is saying...bot...Please dont believe everything she is saying...both her daughters lied about a lot. They knew ..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640646371964703502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-90822327714968260812021-01-29T13:49:18.043-08:002021-01-29T13:49:18.043-08:00For you who blame Norma,shame on you. The only bla...For you who blame Norma,shame on you. The only blame lies with evil mother. Pollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07179976545826054303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-36297916530050662182021-01-29T13:48:20.118-08:002021-01-29T13:48:20.118-08:00I disagree. When you live in fear you dont think l...I disagree. When you live in fear you dont think logically. I am witness to this. My mother beat me daily,poured boiling water on my feet,i have scars on my eyelids from being shoved against a glass table. She stopped feeding me when i was 14. Would take away the pocket money my father gave me,gave my siblings money to travel by bus to school but not me,yet we all went to the same school. I wasnt allowed to be in the same room as her nor use the bathroom. I would urinate into a cup hidden under my bed. She cut my hair like a boy,wouldnt provide sanitary protection. I would never be taken to any family parties nor given birthday cards. She would verbally abuse me & call my friends names. She would tell people i was having an affair with a married man when i wasnt. She created so much fear that every time i had the opportunity to tell anyone i stopped for fear of it going wrong and she would punish me. If my slippers were not in the correct position she would mess up my entire room,empty cupboards etc & tell me to clean it up. I was a child and atrempted suicide numerous times by overdose. But being a child,i didnt know how many tablets to take. I would make sure my room was tidy before i died for fear of her finding me dead and her being annoyed that my room was a mess. We had a phone,i went to school everyday but i lived in fear of unknown consequences. You have no idea how controlling fear is. I recall telling a neighbour who babysat me,she laughed saying my mother was lovely. If i came first at school i was told i "who do you think you are? You think you're better than me". If i came second at school i was told i was thick and humiliated her. She constantly told me she wished she's aborted me & i was a slut. I was not allowed out after school nor weekends. I could go on but i think ive made my point. I escaped from the house when i was 18 years old. I never escaped the mental pain she caused and now in my 50s i still suffer & the fear never stops. Many many survivors of abuse will tell you the same. I promise you,fear is deadly & it stops you from so much. You do not think logically. Pollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07179976545826054303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-79017068860297201372020-10-25T15:36:10.971-07:002020-10-25T15:36:10.971-07:00I know right? I'm watching right noe... crazyI know right? I'm watching right noe... crazy Carmen Applegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09579387376004632487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-72099291203023965852020-09-26T14:06:09.391-07:002020-09-26T14:06:09.391-07:00You "agree" do you. Please, you can'...You "agree" do you. Please, you can't even spell. How on earth can you presume to understand what those children went through in an extremely abusive household. Shame on you. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03628759493463380648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-13466519933934581902020-08-19T20:36:55.542-07:002020-08-19T20:36:55.542-07:00At the end of the day, the daughter acted. Not hav...At the end of the day, the daughter acted. Not having been the victim of severe child abuse I believe the worst thing we can do is to judge. We are not judge, jury or executioners. To live through this would have been a living nightmare, and I’m sure she lives with regret every day. That in itself is surely enough punishment. Remember, we have all done something in our lives that we regret. Show empathy, not judgement.Christine Susan Browninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13031469635491212858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-85672461459837118922020-07-30T17:37:51.564-07:002020-07-30T17:37:51.564-07:00What are you blaming Norma for??? Sounds like a pe... What are you blaming Norma for??? Sounds like a personal attack, to me...Did YOU know her personally??? Because I find it very convenient that you don't seem to have anything to say about the other daughter...Who CLEARLY didn't do anything at all...Mzfeistyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512251050437212062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-56376373081021633532019-11-18T17:39:12.705-08:002019-11-18T17:39:12.705-08:00I agree..i would have said SOMETHING to SOMEONE!!I agree..i would have said SOMETHING to SOMEONE!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07104287431092570052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-74465960194083938782019-09-24T12:43:22.076-07:002019-09-24T12:43:22.076-07:00I know the true accounts of what happened. The rea...I know the true accounts of what happened. The real truth. Not Norma's one sided bull. Before agreeing to do this, maybe she should've gotten her facts straight. There were many other people involved, not just Norma. I'm sure she was looking for a payday after another failed marriage. Real pillar of the community let me tell ya. Wow. What a lying scandalous woman. Not much different from Shirley herself really.therealtruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15372429104564381586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-3948674060957245532019-09-03T01:32:35.770-07:002019-09-03T01:32:35.770-07:00Ty
Ty<br />Roehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582081430238257190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-86359606907112476052019-09-03T01:32:05.532-07:002019-09-03T01:32:05.532-07:00U don't know what you would do as a child come...U don't know what you would do as a child come on<br />Roehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582081430238257190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-6696093256539624972019-08-25T18:11:36.613-07:002019-08-25T18:11:36.613-07:00I agrew her daughters were weak and dumb. No way t...I agrew her daughters were weak and dumb. No way they cared about lloyd. They left for school everyday and Norma even managed to have a Boyfriend so there was PLENTY of opportunity to notify authorities! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07498097572463591962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-6154879537183101112019-07-14T16:30:09.303-07:002019-07-14T16:30:09.303-07:00You don't know what it's like to be terrif...You don't know what it's like to be terrified of a parent Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01612338668620868071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-29627814556998921202019-07-14T16:28:49.011-07:002019-07-14T16:28:49.011-07:00These kids were terrified of what their mother wou...These kids were terrified of what their mother would do to them, she had already tried drowning the child that is telling the story!I lived with a evil mother and I know what it is like to be that scaredAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01612338668620868071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-88087306384127252242019-07-01T12:53:40.520-07:002019-07-01T12:53:40.520-07:00Absolutely agree with this comment.Absolutely agree with this comment.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04733864542983571483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-34729854009826359262019-07-01T12:50:57.049-07:002019-07-01T12:50:57.049-07:00I am appalled this daughter had the nerve to speak...I am appalled this daughter had the nerve to speak about this. She absolutely had many opportunities to notify anyone about this while it was happening. To tell the viewers that she cared about Lloyd is downright b.s. to me. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04733864542983571483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-38091675009357281252019-06-28T12:49:02.687-07:002019-06-28T12:49:02.687-07:00I seriously hate NORMA, i hope she sees this and r...I seriously hate NORMA, i hope she sees this and realizes its her fault this all happened. If her IQ was a least BELOW average Lloyd would still be alive.Dkatxherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14394745267970150280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-65350154803595877702019-04-25T18:56:52.275-07:002019-04-25T18:56:52.275-07:00There's no way that I could standby like the d...There's no way that I could standby like the daughters did and watch my mother slowly kill someone even if I was afraid of her. It took 8 months for Lloyd to die. They say that the mother locked them in the house and they couldn't use the phone, yet they had the opportunity when they went to school and went on multiple trips alone to the store for their mother. I wish they would of spoke up sooner. Maybe Lloyd would still be aliverobyn.mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267903053792498067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1496069017254326809.post-86446627872781504102019-04-04T00:27:19.333-07:002019-04-04T00:27:19.333-07:00Just watched Evil Lives Here on ID. You have her b...Just watched Evil Lives Here on ID. You have her birthdate wrong. Her Date of Birth is 7-6-44 and her incarceration/start of sentence date was on her 40th Birthday, 7-6-84. What a birthday present lolOrbsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08925221747025349399noreply@blogger.com